Protein Shakes?

Fyrecracker · Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Los Angeles,CA

Are protein shakes only to be used if you want to gain more muscle mass? Or can they also be used to have a better diet?

Boss · Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 96 Location: The end of a wire.

They can be used to boost diet, and of course build / protect muscle mass. Excuse me if this gets a bit long, I wanted to be a bit thorough on this for you :).

The best times to take them are

1. After a workout.

2. Half a scoop to boost your Protein intake at Breakfast. Not as a replacement for a Breakfast where possible, (some have little to no Micronutrients in them.)

3. Possibly at night to protect muscle loss.

With options 1 and 2, your best options are just a basic Whey concentrate, but you can get ones with something in like Maltodextrin, which is a high GI carbohydrate source.

This is especially good for after workouts, as it will not only help boost Bloodsugar up, but also help replenish muscle Glycogen which you use.

The mistake some make is having something like a Banana afterwards, which is a simple Sugar source, and whilst it may have some Fibre, it won't help replenish muscle Glycogen too well, only spike up bloodsugar, as simple Carbs interact with the Liver.

If you don't want to do that, and just go for a Carb free whey concentrate, then that's fine, but after workouts you could have things like Whole-grain Bread, Rice, Whole-grain Cereal etc etc, moderate to high GI carbs to help boost Glycogen back up.

There are other options you can explore like Palatinose and Glucomannan.

Both are a simple Complex carb combinations. two types of Carbs sort of bound together. The benefit is, you get something that works like a plug in air freshener, with time released bursts of scent. The simple Carbohydrate boosts bloodsugar up quickly, but in small bursts, whilst the complex Carbs also help replenish Glycogen.

You could kind of achieve this effect, with Whole-grain Bread that has honey on it, but it wouldn't be exactly the same, because you're not binding the two Carbs together, you're layering them, or you could try Cereal with Honey, as a addition to a Carb free whye, but those are good options, as some people like a mix of complex and simple Carbs, as simple do boost Bloodsugar back up quicker than Complex can.

In the case of nighttime protection, if you want to use something, you can use whey if you want, or you can use a basic Casein. Digestion time around 6-7 hours. I've used it in the past, but don't bother now.

You can usually get some in say 500g sizes, for a really good price, and it will last around 4-6 weeks. A basic Casein isn't usually expensive, it's usually good value, from my experience.

I wouldn't advise you use them for replacing meals, as you're better off where possible having solid food, especially for the Micronutrients, as many shakes lack Micros a lot, and trying to get them back in your diet, from multi-vits, wouldn't be a back up plan there either. Solid food would be advisable at other times to those just described.

Hopefully that helps in some way.

Take care :).

refashion · Guest

The reason why I ask is even with that thorough description, what can I use that is not a protein to stop losing weight. Years ago to try to help me I took HMS powder(I think that is what it is called) and it made me unable to digest any protein for months. Even now 10 years later I can only eat so much protein before getting sick(animal or vegetable protein react the same)
Why is there so much milk ingredients in those skakes? Since so many in the population are intollorant to milk, it always makes me wonder why our society keeps talking about the benefits of milk!

Boss · Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 96 Location: The end of a wire.

There will always be some Casein in Protein shakes, even the Isolates are about 15%.

You can get others like Soy, or Nutrisport "Protein 90+ Vegan", is made from Vegetable Proteins, but if it is a real problem, then possibly you have a problem producing Pepsin or Trypsin, maybe if it's pepsin it stems from a Duodenal issue regards producing Secretin and Pancreozymin, but that might possibly cause knock on effects with Fat digestion too, as those have some kind of effect on Bile too.

You could try taking a digestive enzyme product to help you, and see if that works at all.

duncancrow · Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 2 Location: Duncan BC

Refashion mentioned HMS powder; this is a whey isolate designed to provide protein AND the precursors for your most important antioxidant and detoxifier.

On other health groups the usual dose is not the 10-20 grams Immunotec suggests but in the range of 70 grams or about 1/2 of what a bodybuilder would take. In fact a few do take that high a dose to avoid weight loss; this kind of protein is known to build lean tissue if there's enough growth hormone and other nutrients.

But the glutathione deserves special mention in terms of weight and activity. It is a molecule that's needed in ATP energy generation in the cells, and this is also the chief antioxidant molecule that protects these energy centers. This is important because ALL "age-related" degneration and all wasting is associated with low levels of glutathione. In the research, all centenarians had above normal levels.

In terms of competitive sports, antioxidants are legendery for preventing damage that can be prevented, thus saving a large negative energy burden. Well, the HMS and Immunocal proved in lab work that competitive athletes can exert something like 13% more work before caving during their whey program; this might represent a win in the next event to some people. Two of my clients in their mid-40's turned in their best times ever by only adding carefully-extracted whey concentrate and selenium to their diet. Of course I'd suggest more today but that's another story.

I have a lot of info on my website about whey and glutathione; I think this is one of the most important health supplements one can take

regards,

Duncan Crow

Boss · Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 96 Location: The end of a wire.

Nice info posted here, but shame you had to promote a site that sells things, and offers discounts. your spamming activity was showed lack of foresight. Sorry harsh but true.

Also if that 70 figure in relation to bodybuilders is supposedly half what they would take, if that's grams per meal that's too high, and if it's grams per day too low, unless of course you're referring to a specific product, and not just Protein intake in general.

Most big bodybuilders, take between 40-60g Protein per meal, and around 250+ g per day in general.

duncancrow · Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 2 Location: Duncan BC

I don't think the candidasis group sells anything; I've been a member for about 7 years.

The undenatured whey isolate I have here from the store states 180 grams daily for body building, far below the 250 on your label ;) but yes, this is the whey alone, not the entire protein intake.

Duncan

Boss · Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 96 Location: The end of a wire.

It wasn't on a label. I just stated what the average bodybuilder of great size, would consume, because I've been on sites and seen what they state they have per day in Protein grams :).

Your group doesn't promote, so perhaps when I made that statement, it was a bit rash, but your site certainly does, by way of giving people offer codes on things like Soma, which in my eyes, makes your site biased, and not impartial. It means I couldn't trust 100% what was said on such a site, if the site is offering links and codes to sites that sell.

The Bias angle would concern me, because a site doing that, isn't necessarily going to promote all the downsides to such meds, because their "link friends", would be concerned that such disclosures, would affect the sale of their special offer meds.

If I was going to research meds, supplements or anything like that, I'd use sites with no links to sites that sell at all, so I knew the site was probably 100% impartial, 99.99% of the time.

No offence intended, but I've seen enough supposedly learned resources, linking to sites, that promote things, and it makes me suspicious.